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  Quote Steven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Public perception
    Posted: 05 Sep 2007 at 11:20 am
I just had someone tell me that a group of HIS's working out of the Bay were audiologists (they're not, I checked their credentials)... but why did she think this?  Because they went to school.  When I told her there was a difference, and a significant education level difference.  She "kinda" understood... I think.

oh the pain.

This is what the public thinks of us audiologists.  Will the Au.D. improve things for us? 

How oh how will we change the public perception of us?

Even though it seems there "was" not a lot movement to move Pharmacology to a Doctorate level program in Canada... There are programs that are doing just that.  In contrast to the American professional Pharm. D program, a Canadian Pharm. D degree is a post-graduate degree.

UBC
http://www.pharmacy.ubc.ca/pharmdprogram/program%20summary.htm

Université de Montréal
http://www.pharm.umontreal.ca/etudes_cycle1/pharmd.html

University of Toronto
http://www.phm.utoronto.ca/pharmd/phmd_idx.html
    also offering the Pharm.D also through part-time distance education.


Edited by Steven - 05 Sep 2007 at 3:06 pm
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  Quote cmrt2005 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Sep 2007 at 5:50 pm

Seems to me Canada needs to embrace this move of changing our profession's entry-level degree.  Why are we waiting?

The US has already changed the entry level degree for audiologists effective 2007, and Canada seems to still be in the 'consideration stage'.  And if I remember correctly, our reciprocity agreement with the states ends December 2007.  Now it is wonderful that we now have a reciprocity agreement with New Zealand for audiologists, but I think working towards keeping that agreement with the USA would also be beneficial for CASLPA members…and that won’t happen unless we change our practice requirements.

Occupational therapists are changing from a bachelor’s entry-level degree to a masters.(http://www.caot.ca/pdfs/FAQS_Masters_employers_gov.pdf) Pharmacy is changing to a doctorate degree.  Did you know Optometrists are doctors, but their credentials are the equivalent of a bachelor’s degree?  The Doctor of Optometry degree is an undergraduate degree as a completed bachelor degree is not required to apply to the program.  Audiology, as a profession, is definitely on par with Optometry, and surpasses it in regards to level of education, yet some of us seem to be having a problem with being ‘doctors’.

The 2004 CASLPA Au.D position statement stated that over 85% of audiologists feel that our education and training needs to be revisited.  If the programs are going to be revamped, then why not make them Au.D. programs and incorporate the educational recommendations?

One area that the programs need to consider is business courses that are specifically aimed at opening up dispensing practices, so that more graduating audiologists feel competent to open up a business.  We need more dispensing audiologists to offset the increasing number of hearing aid dispensers.  If it so happens that those audiologists opening their business have a Dr. in front of their name…All the better for the public’s perception of our profession!

 

 



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  Quote chantalkealey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2007 at 8:55 am
This is a great discussion topic.  As you may be aware, CASLPA is in the midst of revising its position paper on the Professional Doctorate degree in Audiology.  Members will be receiving an e-mail by end of this week asking for their response on this very important issue.  The e-mail and attached survey consists of only 2 questions, therefore, it's brief.
I urge all members to take the time to submit their answers by September 14th, 2007. 
This will impact CASLPA's position and as mentioned in previous posts, this has great impact on reciporicity with the US!
 


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  Quote Steven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2007 at 10:53 am

Funny you mention business courses in our programs.  I recall many moons ago when I did my graduate degree in audiology that the overall feeling of my the classmates was that working in a purely dispensing clinic, seemed less professional or less like a real audiologist then when you were working in a hospital.  LOL

Correct me if I'm wrong but the goal is to help those with hearing loss.  Identify the problem and (re)habilitate... i.e., fit with hearing aids as appropriate.

Conversing with audiologists over the years, revealed the general belief that we are the one's that should be entrusted with the care and feeding of the auditory system.  I've heard some say they wish there weren't HIS folk about... as it should be audiologists fitting hearing aids.  Well I would have to say this is a great idea.  But then we need to prepare audiologists for opening a dispensing clinic (dare I say business) upon graduating.

HIS(ers) are created to fit hearing aids.  Open a business and fit hearing aids.  This is not a minor role in hearing health care and certainly not one that should be left to themOuch

The role of dispensing audiologists are important and more are needed if we wish to change the landscape of hearing healthcare.

The doctorate will, I believe, help audiologists in providing hearing healthcare by improving their education level, and improving the public perception of them as professionals.  This should help us define, for the public, the difference between a doctor of audiology, who happens to dispense, and a hearing instrument dispenser.                          

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  Quote Mr.Dr.AuD. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 10:46 pm
I don't know if this is the right topic to post under but as we are talking about the Au.D. it might fit. Recently, AHIP complained to the College of Speech Language Pathologists and Audiologists (CASLPO) in Ontario about a web site in the USA that lists all the Au.D. graduates belonging to their organization. The website is called the Audiology Foundation of America (AFA). AHIP complains that on the AFA site, Au.D. members practicing in the Province of Ontario are using the title Doctor when in fact they cannot use that title since it is restricted by the RHPA. Consequently, every member with an Ontario address was sent a letter by the College warning them not to use the title Dr. I should point out that the website automatically generates the title Dr. for each member and that so far individual members have no way of removing that title. Does anyone think that Ontario has jurisdiction over a US based website??
Is this also not a violation of the Canadian Charter of rights because an individual that has earned the title Doctor from an accredited university should be allowed to use it?
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  Quote Steven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 5:02 pm
Originally posted by Mr.Dr.AuD.


Recently, AHIP complained to the College of Speech Language Pathologists and Audiologists (CASLPO) in Ontario about a web site in the USA that lists all the Au.D. graduates belonging to their organization.

The website is called the Audiology Foundation of America (AFA). AHIP complains that on the AFA site, Au.D. members practicing in the Province of Ontario are using the title Doctor when in fact they cannot use that title since it is restricted by the RHPA.

Consequently, every member with an Ontario address was sent a letter by the College warning them not to use the title Dr. I should point out that the website automatically generates the title Dr. for each member and that so far individual members have no way of removing that title.

Does anyone think that Ontario has jurisdiction over a US based website??

Is this also not a violation of the Canadian Charter of rights because an individual that has earned the title Doctor from an accredited university should be allowed to use it?


I think this is odd.... AHIP is obviously trying very hard to cloud an issue... why would anyone in AHIP care what is on a website in the United States of America.  Why does CASLPO think they can tell members in Canada that they cannot use the title outside of Canada?  Not to mention decide what content an American website displays.

EmbarrassedI actually find it embarrassing that CASLPO, & CASLPA have not felt it necessary to advocate for audiologists in Ontario for the right to use the title Dr. when a doctorate degree in audiology is earned by an accredited and recognized program.



StarAudiologists are educated... dispensers are trained.



Edited by Steven - 10 Dec 2007 at 5:04 pm
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  Quote Hevronok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2009 at 1:27 pm

Does anyone know when canadiens universities will offer Au.D?

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  Quote chantalkealey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2009 at 2:20 pm
Unfortunately, we still do not have any specific timelines for when the first AuD will be offered in Canada but it does seem to be coming.  The Université de Montréal had done a lot work towards offering a program but due to some obstacles will not be proceeding at this time.  The University of Western Ontario may be the closest to offering a program however all Canadian universities which currently offer the master's in audiology are in some stage of exploration.  Sorry I can't be more specific!
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